1960BHW G12H-30 Heritage Speakers

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1960BHW G12H-30 Heritage Speakers

Post by The Pup » Sun May 25, 2008 9:04 pm

Please do yourself a favor and play through a cab loaded with the Heritage G12H-30 55Hz speakers...I think you're going to like it!

Upon returning after a prolonged time away from home, my wife bought me a JVM410H (new for $1350) with matching 1960BV cab as a surprise welcome home present…an amp I would have never considered for myself (unwarranted snob knob stigma). I didn’t dig the 1960BV cab too much, so I had a “cab-off” to find the one that would best match the JVM410H and my old-school taste (don’t laugh…it’s a great sounding amp which covers a wide genre of tones). I put all of the cabs on my credit card and had them delivered in one afternoon with the intention of returning the cabs that I didn’t want to keep within the 30-day grace period (I actually returned them all using my neighbor’s truck). The well broken-in examples I evaluated at my home were the 425A (no straight cab in stock), 1960B, 1960BV, 1960BX and 1960BHW)…without question, the 1960BHW with Heritage G12H-30 speakers did it for me.

Of those cabs, the most striking difference (or broadest spectrum) was between the BV (the original cab my wife bought for me) and the HW. In comparison, the HW seemed to smooth-out all of the mid-volume fizzle, high-freq beaming and tamed the woof or undesirable bass overtones I found in the BV.

The 425A (G12C-25) was followed not far behind by the BX (G12M-25)...both work very well with the JVM. The 1960B (G12T-75) worked well when max-cranked (quite full sounding) but didn't respond well to more subtle or touch-tone situations. Finally, the BV (V30) also sounded good cranked but had a very irritating sizzle and weird high-end modulation-type sound that was quite awful...not my thing at all; my Marshall + cab mental benchmark sound is smooth and creamy then crunchy when pushed or driven.

Not long afterwards, I had a 1960B cab loaded with Anniversary G12H-30 speakers at the house and I found it rather harsh in comparison to the Heritage variant; the Anniversary speakers exhibited a fizzy spike beam that was not present with the Heritage speakers.

I understand there are some great speakers made today that may mirror the Heritage G12H-30's sound and performance qualities...so you may be able to find a less expensive alternative. Also, the HW cabs are a little over the top; meaning...I don't think there are any discernible sonic qualities that make its metal handles, gold pin striping, basket weave fabric or Birch back worth the extra money.

I also played the JVM through an older 1960 cab with G12-65 speakers and that combination works great too.

Note: My wife found a local 1960BHW cab for just under $800.00 new/unused still in the box.

P.S. I have installed a few sets of H55 speakers from Southbay Ampworks and they hit the spot too…no worries.

1. G12H-30
2. G12C-25
3. G12-65 (or #2 depending on my mood)

99. G12T-75
100. V30

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...I did say versatile:

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Regarding the difference between the Heritage vs Anniversary G12H-30:

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I recommend the G12H-30 55hz Heritage speakers to anyone who will listen because I had the chance to compare them to a converted 1960B cab with Anniversary G12H-30 speakers.

After breaking them in real good for a few weeks...there is a distinct difference between the Heritage and Anniversary G12H-30 speakers. The Anniversary is not as smooth and creamy as the Heritage speaker but are much better at moderate volume levels than the G12T-75 1960B or V30 1960BV cabs.

You can also save some money by considering these (great choice):

http://www.southbayampworks.com/speakers.html

H55 50 ounce H (heavy magnet), 55hz bass response, 12 inch special design aged cone, small dust cap with vintage correct doping, spider, and voice coil tolerances. A close recreation of the 102 014 Pulsonic bass cone, with the complex low & lower mids, robust midrange and clear highs this speaker cone produced. This speaker is very similar to the tone produced in the Marshall 1982 cabs of the late Sixties with the 100 watt logo. These were the heavy duty speaker versions used in bass cabs but also favored by guitarists of the day as well, for their extended bass response. Awesome for Strat players who desire more low end. 30 watt (H55-8, or 16) & 65 watt (H55-8HP or 16HP) power handling, 99db, 8 or 16 ohm versions available. $159.00

Foot-stomp:

Remember, there is a noticeable difference between the Heritage and Anniversary G12H-30 variants.

Heritage...some might say smooth and creamy:

G12H-30 Heritage (55Hz):

General specifications
Nominal diameter 12", 305mm
Power Rating 30W
Nominal impedance 8Ω and 15Ω
Sensitivity 100dB
Chassis type Pressed steel
Voice coil diameter 1.75", 44.5mm
Voice coil material Rounded copper
Magnet type Ceramic
Magnet weight 50oz, 1.42kg
Frequency range 55-5000Hz
Resonance frequency, Fs 55Hz

DC resistance, Re 6.53Ω & 12.11Ω
Magnet structure diameter 6.6", 168mm

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Anniversary...not so much (harsher and not nearly as smooth):

G12H-30 Anniversary (85Hz):

General specifications
Nominal diameter 12", 305mm
Power Rating 30W
Nominal impedance 8Ω and 16Ω
Sensitivity 100dB
Chassis type Pressed steel
Voice coil diameter 1.75", 44.5mm
Voice coil material Rounded copper
Magnet type Ceramic
Magnet weight 50oz, 1.42kg
Frequency range 75-5000Hz
Resonance frequency, Fs 85Hz

DC resistance, Re 6.7Ω & 13.1Ω
Magnet structure diameter 6.1", 156mm

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Re: 1960BHW G12H-30 Heritage Speakers

Post by RachelMorgan » Sun May 25, 2008 9:49 pm

The Pup wrote:
Upon returning after a prolonged time away from home, my wife bought me a JVM410H (new for $1350)
I hate you.

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Re: 1960BHW G12H-30 Heritage Speakers

Post by The Pup » Sun May 25, 2008 9:51 pm

RachelMorgan wrote:
The Pup wrote:
Upon returning after a prolonged time away from home, my wife bought me a JVM410H (new for $1350)
I hate you.
But I will never forsake you.

http://cgi.ebay.com/MARSHALL-JVM-410H-1 ... dZViewItem

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Post by RachelMorgan » Sun May 25, 2008 11:12 pm

I know, and you know I was kidding. Yeah, I know it happens all the time. Just like the time I was in GC looking at a SG. I went back on Presidents Day to pick up yet another pedal -- Digitech Whammy -- and saw this huge sale. Two days earlier it was $1579. President's Day I got it for $1157. So I guess it balances out.

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Post by The Pup » Sun May 25, 2008 11:18 pm

RachelMorgan wrote:I know, and you know I was kidding. Yeah, I know it happens all the time. Just like the time I was in GC looking at a SG. I went back on Presidents Day to pick up yet another pedal -- Digitech Whammy -- and saw this huge sale. Two days earlier it was $1579. President's Day I got it for $1157. So I guess it balances out.
Cool...which SG?

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Post by RachelMorgan » Sun May 25, 2008 11:30 pm

SG Standard in Heritage Cherry. This one:

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Post by The Pup » Sun May 25, 2008 11:33 pm

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Post by tripwire » Tue Jun 10, 2008 8:09 pm

Well I took you up on your words Pup....I tried some greenies and loved them incredibly. Just bought four for my slant cab and will get four more in time I'm sure. They just kill the 75s all over the place. We have six gigs this coming week. They ought to be broken in well by the time it's over...yahoo. I might be too.
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Post by Andy » Tue Jun 10, 2008 8:25 pm

tripwire wrote:Well I took you up on your words Pup....I tried some greenies and loved them incredibly. Just bought four for my slant cab and will get four more in time I'm sure. They just kill the 75s all over the place. We have six gigs this coming week. They ought to be broken in well by the time it's over...yahoo. I might be too.
Greenies or Heritage G12H-30 ?
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Post by tripwire » Tue Jun 10, 2008 8:43 pm

The Heritage G12H-30. Very much the same speaker in sound. I have some old greenies in an old amp. They need reconing but I remember how they used to sound. I love that sound. Like candy.
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Post by Andy » Tue Jun 10, 2008 8:47 pm

Cool, I'm gonna make a 2x12 with them in sometime, or even 2 like her Rachelship's avatars.
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::: AFD100, DSL100W head (no C83), Fender Champ 12
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Post by sbrst60 » Wed Jun 11, 2008 2:30 am

The G-12H reissues to me seem like good crunch rhythm speakers, sound good cranked tho dont really like the solo tone as much.. maybe too efficient.. welcome to the very confusing and choice filled world of speakers. Then there is mixing spkrs or even cabs..

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Post by edster » Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:24 pm

Nice informative posts to help to-be JVM owners! I'm in the same camp as ThePup about the V30s, there's something harsh in those speakers to my ears but it does has it's uses in certain genres and amps.

I myself went with the 1960AX cab, no B cab available but not biggie. Totally love that dripping midrange and sponginess response. While we're at it, does someone has an answer for me in a thread i'd posted awhile back?

JVM w/ 1960AX cab

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Post by tripwire » Wed Jun 11, 2008 12:29 pm

sbrst60 wrote:The G-12H reissues to me seem like good crunch rhythm speakers, sound good cranked tho dont really like the solo tone as much.. maybe too efficient.. welcome to the very confusing and choice filled world of speakers. Then there is mixing spkrs or even cabs..
I will explore my options but I really dig the tones from those speaks a lot. I may mix some 50/50 with the 75s but I don't think so. Another problem with mixing in a live situation is micing the cab...Which one do you mic? lol

Without a great rhythm all the leads in the world can stay home for all I care! lol Don't get me wrong...I do some leads but it all comes from the rhythms for sure.
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Post by Steinberger » Thu Jun 12, 2008 3:29 am

You guys just find this out? I guess I did not mention that here just assumed everyone knew, Avatar has been mixing these with Vintage 30's for several years, in fact the JVM flyer says it is modeled to the G12H, I have pulled my Vintage 30's and now only use the G12H30's in all my cabs, they sound mean with chords OR solo's

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