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How to stop the pick click

Post by Evilriffz » Mon May 13, 2013 1:13 am

Maybe I am just being OCD but does anyone have any hints or tips on how to minimize this?
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Re: How to stop the pick click

Post by Dark Horse » Mon May 13, 2013 4:39 am

Use a heavy-gauge pick? I've never really experienced the problem, but I use picks that are stiff as a board.

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Re: How to stop the pick click

Post by jimsreynolds » Mon May 13, 2013 8:08 am

+1 DH. I don't use anything below a 1.0mm. Suggest that if it really bothers you you try a black Dunlop Nylon pick 1.0mm. Nylon seems to generate less pick noise at the cost of a little stiffness.

Also you can EQ to back off the pick noise frequency if you have a decent graphic EQ and it doesn't munge your sound.

Finally, train yourself to use less of the tip of the pick. This is trickier but does reduce the noise.
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Re: How to stop the pick click

Post by Evilriffz » Mon May 13, 2013 11:20 am

jimsreynolds wrote:+1 DH. I don't use anything below a 1.0mm. Suggest that if it really bothers you you try a black Dunlop Nylon pick 1.0mm. Nylon seems to generate less pick noise at the cost of a little stiffness.

Also you can EQ to back off the pick noise frequency if you have a decent graphic EQ and it doesn't munge your sound.
I actually already use a pretty heavy gauge pick (.95 ultex)... what frequency would you cut? I went through with my 10 band and tried cutting a few but didnt see much difference.
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Re: How to stop the pick click

Post by Tonemeister » Mon May 13, 2013 4:00 pm

Can you post a sample recording...

I have a hard time imagining what you are talking about... like the other guys here I don't have any issues with this and I use a heavy pick as well... What gauge strings are you using and what tuning are you in.

as far as EQ'ing goes I don't think your 10-band EQ would be the best choice but instead you'd need a proper graphic EQ which wouldn't be worth it (with the 10-band you could cut the general Frequesncy range at the cost of your tone.

Could be your pick-ups too... maybe they have an inherent frequecy boost where your pick frequency sits.

It could also be a picking technique issue.. i.e. change the angle how you hold the pick,
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Re: How to stop the pick click

Post by ALrock » Mon May 13, 2013 5:54 pm

Could it be a matter of the distance of the pick which is sliding on the string (so to speak) before rolling off the edge that is being a bit more audible then you like?..

I don't know..just winging a thought out there..
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Re: How to stop the pick click

Post by Andy » Mon May 13, 2013 7:06 pm

Also pickup height could be a factor i.e. too high or close to the strings hence them picking up the noise ...
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Re: How to stop the pick click

Post by Evilriffz » Mon May 13, 2013 9:23 pm

all valid points. The emgs are actually set pretty low in the rings (just how I like them)

I will have to give the pick angle thing a shot.

As far as strings I am using the heavy bottom strings 10-52 ernie balls.

I will try these different things tonight and if nothing works ill record a few bits and see if it picks up the phenomenon....

Thanks again for all your input.
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Re: How to stop the pick click

Post by Jackie » Mon May 13, 2013 10:24 pm

I'm kinda interested in this too - me and my room-mate have been listening to this song by Europe and the solo tone in the beginning sounds like it has almost no pick attack at all.

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I'd suppose digging in hard vs. soft picking would produce less attack given that there's enough gain?
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Re: How to stop the pick click

Post by jimsreynolds » Mon May 13, 2013 10:57 pm

Tonemeister wrote:as far as EQ'ing goes I don't think your 10-band EQ would be the best choice but instead you'd need a proper graphic EQ which wouldn't be worth it (with the 10-band you could cut the general Frequesncy range at the cost of your tone.
You are probably right and I would go for the other tips first. For the EQ route though, The ticket for this kind of thing would be a decent parametric pedal where you could dial in the precise frequency by ear then set a narrow Q/Width to just cut the annoying frequency.
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Re: How to stop the pick click

Post by Tonemeister » Mon May 13, 2013 11:00 pm

jimsreynolds wrote:
For the EQ route though, The ticket for this kind of thing would be a decent parametric pedal where you could dial in the precise frequency by ear then set a narrow Q/Width to just cut the annoying frequency.
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Re: How to stop the pick click

Post by Todd Zila » Thu May 30, 2013 4:54 pm

I use the same pick ups and string gauge as you. It sounds like a tone thing, technique, etc to dial out what you don't want. My first though would be to rotate the pick slightly so it is hiting at a slight angle. You could also pick a bit closer to the neck of the guitar for phrases that you want to get less pick attack. You get almost dated sounding like a wah up near the neck... Close to the bridge will have a strong pick attack. -cheers!
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Re: How to stop the pick click

Post by Todd Zila » Thu May 30, 2013 4:55 pm

Oh and crank it up!!!
I mainly use LP custom's w 10-52 strings, emg 81/85 pick up's & electroinics,
Wylde Wah, MXR ZW44 overdrive, TC nova delay, (in that order in front of the amp)
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Re: How to stop the pick click

Post by Evilriffz » Fri May 31, 2013 1:56 am

Todd Zila wrote:Oh and crank it up!!!
Always! I think I was nitpicking because I don't really hear it anymore. Thanks to everyone for the input.
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