Weird Oscillation on the high E

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Weird Oscillation on the high E

Postby jimsreynolds » Thu Sep 13, 2012 7:22 am

Hey guys, what do you make of this.

The High E on my Gibson 'The Paul' has a string seems to have a strange oscillation that does not appear on the other strings. Any ideas what could be causing it?

Checkout the attached MP3

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The clips are:

1) The open E - oscillation
2) The open G - no oscillation
3) E played on the G String at the 5th Fret - no oscillation
4) E played on the E String at the 12th Fret - Oscillation

The strings are a little old but I do not remember hearing this before. I am on OD2 red (not a usual hangout for me) and this seems to emphasise the effect but I am hearing it on other channels also).

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Re: Weird Oscillation on the high E

Postby Andy » Thu Sep 13, 2012 8:05 am

Stab in the dark I'd say drop your pickup(s) lower as the string may be interacting with the magnets.
Try the same test between pickups too for giggles.
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Re: Weird Oscillation on the high E

Postby jimsreynolds » Thu Sep 13, 2012 8:39 am

Thanks Andy. It comes through on the neck PUP too but less emphatically.

My first thought was the Pickup also. I tried dropping both a little on the treble side but no dice ... tone still there. Weird that there is no hint of it on the adjacent string also.

It could just be a bum string but I have always had trouble 'keeping that guitar in tune' and I am wondering if it is because this 'beat' note is always there. I need to rip out the bridge pickup soon anyway and flip round the Duncan Triple Shot surround (which I have apparently installed upside down. That should not have any bearing on my issue but will mean I will reset heights again afterwards. I will change strings when I do the pickup and that may help.

Final thing for me is that the saddles have a slightly chewed look - dunno why. It may be that there is some kind of burr causing the tone but I haven't heard it quite like that before.

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Re: Weird Oscillation on the high E

Postby Rick O'Shea » Thu Sep 13, 2012 5:46 pm

I too think the first thing to check is lowering the pickup, but the neck pickup will have more effect. I wouldn't rule out saddles or string condition.
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Re: Weird Oscillation on the high E

Postby Knottie » Thu Sep 13, 2012 7:24 pm

Very strange. I am very curious, so please do post after you've sorted it.

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Re: Weird Oscillation on the high E

Postby jimsreynolds » Fri Sep 14, 2012 5:08 am

Knottie wrote:Very strange. I am very curious, so please do post after you've sorted it.


Will do. Be a little while before I can look at it but I will come back.

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Re: Weird Oscillation on the high E

Postby Andy » Fri Sep 14, 2012 5:47 am

Well it can't be much more than the string, saddles, nut, pickups or a simple oscillation in the space time continuum ...
leading to Milliways:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucNYLsjKaTQ&feature=plcp

You may be able to play support with disaster area !
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::: AFD100, DSL100W head (no C83), Fender Champ 12
::: 1960AV 2xgreenbacks 2xG12H30, homemade 2x12 cab 2x Celestion Golds (100W)
::: Gibson Les Paul Standard, Dimarzio SD bridge Pup,Standard neck Pup.
::: Tokai Strat with Dimarzio SD, Epi SG-400 Iommi, Hondo Les Paul, Alhambra Acoustic fishman Pup
::: PodXTLive fully loaded, Vox V848 Clyde McCoy Wah Wah, Korg Pitchblack and Snark Tuners

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Re: Weird Oscillation on the high E

Postby jimsreynolds » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:17 am

Haha! Yeaaaaahhhh !!!!

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Re: Weird Oscillation on the high E

Postby Andy » Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:30 am

Anyway the answer to your question is of course 42 [smiley-surprised]
::: JVM410 head,modded:- Hammond 5H choke, 2 tubes pulled, 37.5mv bias :: Caseys Mods :- Plexi cap, -ve feedback, Dual Rectifier, Blackface, 1 wire Randy Rhoads, Plexi, Metaled Out ModPI Boost, OD Channel Gain Reduction Mod
::: AFD100, DSL100W head (no C83), Fender Champ 12
::: 1960AV 2xgreenbacks 2xG12H30, homemade 2x12 cab 2x Celestion Golds (100W)
::: Gibson Les Paul Standard, Dimarzio SD bridge Pup,Standard neck Pup.
::: Tokai Strat with Dimarzio SD, Epi SG-400 Iommi, Hondo Les Paul, Alhambra Acoustic fishman Pup
::: PodXTLive fully loaded, Vox V848 Clyde McCoy Wah Wah, Korg Pitchblack and Snark Tuners

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Re: Weird Oscillation on the high E

Postby jimsreynolds » Sun Dec 09, 2012 3:19 pm

Just occurred to me ... I never responded to this. I changed the strings and the nasty tone went bye byes. Very strange but one for the books.

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Re: Weird Oscillation on the high E

Postby Knottie » Sun Dec 09, 2012 5:33 pm

Thanks for getting back!

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Re: Weird Oscillation on the high E

Postby Todd Zila » Sun Jan 27, 2013 3:49 am

Yeah, funk/oxidization on the string. Bewewewewew
I say put new strings on and get them in tune is the first step anytime you want to sound your best.
I mainly use LP custom's w 10-52 strings, emg 81/85 pick up's & electroinics,
Wylde Wah, MXR ZW44 overdrive, TC nova delay, (in that order in front of the amp)
jvm410h stock, korg dtr1 (hz mode) in the loop (no return for silent tuning), with 1960v30's 4x12 cabs,
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Re: Weird Oscillation on the high E

Postby Todd Zila » Sun Jan 27, 2013 3:50 am

Sounds stupid but sometimes you can take rubbing alcohol or even vodka and clean them in a pinch. Sometimes it only takes one playing session and they're done depending on the conditions
I mainly use LP custom's w 10-52 strings, emg 81/85 pick up's & electroinics,
Wylde Wah, MXR ZW44 overdrive, TC nova delay, (in that order in front of the amp)
jvm410h stock, korg dtr1 (hz mode) in the loop (no return for silent tuning), with 1960v30's 4x12 cabs,
and eta power distrobution. no gates...Kick it out!~~~~~~~~S.D.M.F.

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Re: Weird Oscillation on the high E

Postby jimsreynolds » Sun Jan 27, 2013 8:58 am

Not sure the vodka would make it as far as the string [smilie=icon_mrgreen.gif]. I usually use a light string cleaner/lube like Kyser Dr Stringfellow which tends to keep the crud under control but makes a fairly foul Bloody Mary so is safe to keep around.

Nah, I have had had problems with old strings before but mainly around intonation, never warbly pitch like that which is why it totally threw me. Lesson learned!


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